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The circular graphic above was created by a program used by anthropoligists and geneticists and other scientists in the field to reflect relative associations between groups. The program used in creating this particular graphic presentation called Philip (ver 3.65) and of the several options available for displaying the compiled information I chose the circular display. The numbers from DYS markers were extracted for R1b participants in our Freeman surname project with at least 25 markers and are represented in the graph. Distance calculations were derived using an extraction program developed by Dean McGee and the output was used in the mathamatical calculations in the Philip program. The final tree, derived after several re-sorting iterations by the Philip program generated a a plot file which produced the basic circular graphic. Distance values were then manually added to the final graphic. Several interesting associations become readily apparent in the graphic representation. One of the more interesting associations is the joining of several of our groups. Beginning with kit #8528 in the upper right hand side of the graph and running through kit #5279 in the lower right hand side all tie together to a "Common" Freeman ancestor estimated to have lived some 600 - 900 years ago. The group numbers from our DNA test results page covered in this grouping are "B", "C" & "D" in R1b1 - I, Group R1b-IV and the yet undefined line 10957's connection with Group "B." The "Common" ancestor for the remaining family groups defined in our project appear to have been considerably further back in time. It should be remembered that mathematical modeling uses a "most likely" scenario....and we have learned that mutations can and do happen randomly and may not fit exactly into the model. This does, however give us some interesting insights into possible relationships that we may not have initally thought of.